diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/arc_field.rs b/reactive_stores/src/arc_field.rs
index 90f4bd0e4..a6bfcb5be 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/arc_field.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/arc_field.rs
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@ where
     #[cfg(any(debug_assertions, leptos_debuginfo))]
     defined_at: &'static Location<'static>,
     path: Arc<dyn Fn() -> StorePath + Send + Sync>,
+    path_unkeyed: Arc<dyn Fn() -> StorePath + Send + Sync>,
     get_trigger: Arc<dyn Fn(StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger + Send + Sync>,
     get_trigger_unkeyed:
         Arc<dyn Fn(StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger + Send + Sync>,
@@ -113,6 +114,10 @@ impl<T> StoreField for ArcField<T> {
         (self.path)()
     }
 
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        (self.path_unkeyed)()
+    }
+
     fn reader(&self) -> Option<Self::Reader> {
         (self.read)().map(StoreFieldReader::new)
     }
@@ -137,6 +142,9 @@ where
             #[cfg(any(debug_assertions, leptos_debuginfo))]
             defined_at: Location::caller(),
             path: Arc::new(move || value.path().into_iter().collect()),
+            path_unkeyed: Arc::new(move || {
+                value.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect()
+            }),
             get_trigger: Arc::new(move |path| value.get_trigger(path)),
             get_trigger_unkeyed: Arc::new(move |path| {
                 value.get_trigger_unkeyed(path)
@@ -163,6 +171,10 @@ where
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move || value.path().into_iter().collect()
             }),
+            path_unkeyed: Arc::new({
+                let value = value.clone();
+                move || value.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect()
+            }),
             get_trigger: Arc::new({
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move |path| value.get_trigger(path)
@@ -211,6 +223,10 @@ where
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move || value.path().into_iter().collect()
             }),
+            path_unkeyed: Arc::new({
+                let value = value.clone();
+                move || value.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect()
+            }),
             get_trigger: Arc::new({
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move |path| value.get_trigger(path)
@@ -258,6 +274,10 @@ where
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move || value.path().into_iter().collect()
             }),
+            path_unkeyed: Arc::new({
+                let value = value.clone();
+                move || value.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect()
+            }),
             get_trigger: Arc::new({
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move |path| value.get_trigger(path)
@@ -306,6 +326,10 @@ where
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move || value.path().into_iter().collect()
             }),
+            path_unkeyed: Arc::new({
+                let value = value.clone();
+                move || value.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect()
+            }),
             get_trigger: Arc::new({
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move |path| value.get_trigger(path)
@@ -358,6 +382,10 @@ where
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move || value.path().into_iter().collect()
             }),
+            path_unkeyed: Arc::new({
+                let value = value.clone();
+                move || value.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect()
+            }),
             get_trigger: Arc::new({
                 let value = value.clone();
                 move |path| value.get_trigger(path)
@@ -396,6 +424,7 @@ impl<T> Clone for ArcField<T> {
             #[cfg(any(debug_assertions, leptos_debuginfo))]
             defined_at: self.defined_at,
             path: self.path.clone(),
+            path_unkeyed: self.path_unkeyed.clone(),
             get_trigger: Arc::clone(&self.get_trigger),
             get_trigger_unkeyed: Arc::clone(&self.get_trigger_unkeyed),
             read: Arc::clone(&self.read),
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/deref.rs b/reactive_stores/src/deref.rs
index 93f6619ec..87aa1a446 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/deref.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/deref.rs
@@ -76,6 +76,11 @@ where
     fn path(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
         self.inner.path()
     }
+
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        self.inner.path_unkeyed()
+    }
+
     fn reader(&self) -> Option<Self::Reader> {
         let inner = self.inner.reader()?;
         Some(Mapped::new_with_guard(inner, |n| n.deref()))
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/field.rs b/reactive_stores/src/field.rs
index 927fe31ec..0b3dc316c 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/field.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/field.rs
@@ -73,6 +73,13 @@ where
             .unwrap_or_default()
     }
 
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        self.inner
+            .try_get_value()
+            .map(|inner| inner.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect::<Vec<_>>())
+            .unwrap_or_default()
+    }
+
     fn reader(&self) -> Option<Self::Reader> {
         self.inner.try_get_value().and_then(|inner| inner.reader())
     }
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/iter.rs b/reactive_stores/src/iter.rs
index 9db7c1c67..6924fb747 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/iter.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/iter.rs
@@ -80,6 +80,13 @@ where
             .chain(iter::once(self.index.into()))
     }
 
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        self.inner
+            .path_unkeyed()
+            .into_iter()
+            .chain(iter::once(self.index.into()))
+    }
+
     fn get_trigger(&self, path: StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger {
         self.inner.get_trigger(path)
     }
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/keyed.rs b/reactive_stores/src/keyed.rs
index 424fc3189..ea27b0484 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/keyed.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/keyed.rs
@@ -106,6 +106,13 @@ where
             .chain(iter::once(self.path_segment))
     }
 
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        self.inner
+            .path_unkeyed()
+            .into_iter()
+            .chain(iter::once(self.path_segment))
+    }
+
     fn get_trigger(&self, path: StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger {
         self.inner.get_trigger(path)
     }
@@ -444,6 +451,24 @@ where
         inner.into_iter().chain(this)
     }
 
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        let inner =
+            self.inner.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect::<StorePath>();
+        let keys = self
+            .inner
+            .keys()
+            .expect("using keys on a store with no keys");
+        let this = keys
+            .with_field_keys(
+                inner.clone(),
+                |keys| (keys.get(&self.key), vec![]),
+                || self.inner.latest_keys(),
+            )
+            .flatten()
+            .map(|(_, idx)| StorePathSegment(idx));
+        inner.into_iter().chain(this)
+    }
+
     fn get_trigger(&self, path: StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger {
         self.inner.get_trigger(path)
     }
@@ -721,18 +746,19 @@ mod tests {
         effect::Effect,
         traits::{GetUntracked, ReadUntracked, Set, Track, Write},
     };
+    use reactive_stores::Patch;
     use std::sync::{
         atomic::{AtomicUsize, Ordering},
         Arc,
     };
 
-    #[derive(Debug, Store, Default)]
+    #[derive(Debug, Store, Default, Patch)]
     struct Todos {
         #[store(key: usize = |todo| todo.id)]
         todos: Vec<Todo>,
     }
 
-    #[derive(Debug, Store, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Eq)]
+    #[derive(Debug, Store, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Eq, Patch)]
     struct Todo {
         id: usize,
         label: String,
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/patch.rs b/reactive_stores/src/patch.rs
index 6b8f78888..17ef92c5b 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/patch.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/patch.rs
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@ where
     type Value = T::Value;
 
     fn patch(&self, new: Self::Value) {
-        let path = self.path().into_iter().collect::<StorePath>();
+        let path = self.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect::<StorePath>();
         if let Some(mut writer) = self.writer() {
             // don't track the writer for the whole store
             writer.untrack();
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/store_field.rs b/reactive_stores/src/store_field.rs
index 7856d0788..310aa8ddf 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/store_field.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/store_field.rs
@@ -38,6 +38,13 @@ pub trait StoreField: Sized {
     #[track_caller]
     fn path(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment>;
 
+    /// The path of this field (see [`StorePath`]). Uses unkeyed indices for any keyed fields.
+    #[track_caller]
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        // TODO remove default impl next time we do a breaking release
+        self.path()
+    }
+
     /// Reactively tracks this field.
     #[track_caller]
     fn track_field(&self) {
@@ -129,7 +136,9 @@ where
         trigger
     }
 
+    #[track_caller]
     fn get_trigger_unkeyed(&self, path: StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger {
+        let caller = std::panic::Location::caller();
         let orig_path = path.clone();
 
         let mut path = StorePath::with_capacity(orig_path.len());
@@ -140,7 +149,13 @@ where
                 let key = self
                     .keys
                     .get_key_for_index(&(path.clone(), segment.0))
-                    .expect("could not find key for index");
+                    .unwrap_or_else(|| {
+                        panic!(
+                            "could not find key for index {:?} at {}",
+                            &(path.clone(), segment.0),
+                            caller
+                        )
+                    });
                 path.push(key);
             } else {
                 path.push(*segment);
@@ -154,6 +169,11 @@ where
         iter::empty()
     }
 
+    #[track_caller]
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        iter::empty()
+    }
+
     #[track_caller]
     fn reader(&self) -> Option<Self::Reader> {
         Plain::try_new(Arc::clone(&self.value))
@@ -205,6 +225,14 @@ where
             .unwrap_or_default()
     }
 
+    #[track_caller]
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        self.inner
+            .try_get_value()
+            .map(|n| n.path_unkeyed().into_iter().collect::<Vec<_>>())
+            .unwrap_or_default()
+    }
+
     #[track_caller]
     fn reader(&self) -> Option<Self::Reader> {
         self.inner.try_get_value().and_then(|n| n.reader())
diff --git a/reactive_stores/src/subfield.rs b/reactive_stores/src/subfield.rs
index 823d3e212..8e506584e 100644
--- a/reactive_stores/src/subfield.rs
+++ b/reactive_stores/src/subfield.rs
@@ -84,6 +84,13 @@ where
             .chain(iter::once(self.path_segment))
     }
 
+    fn path_unkeyed(&self) -> impl IntoIterator<Item = StorePathSegment> {
+        self.inner
+            .path_unkeyed()
+            .into_iter()
+            .chain(iter::once(self.path_segment))
+    }
+
     fn get_trigger(&self, path: StorePath) -> StoreFieldTrigger {
         self.inner.get_trigger(path)
     }